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#1 falcc

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 08:52 PM

...and maybe I'm an example of why. I used to participate a lot back in the xp MCE days when it took years of research to get it stable and just right :). But once W7 came along it really was a case of setup and just use it. It just works.

In all seriousness though, the forums are very quiet compared to then. Am I missing something, have people jumped ship to somewhere else or is Windows Media Center just not the way to go anymore?

Is there a holy grail for a htpc? XBMC seems enormously popular but I like my Live TV. Microsoft have obviously all but dropped MC and it is clear that the next Xbox will be the way to go.

But what about today, what's the best option, is it still W7MC? Most plugin development seems to have stopped. W7MC is still great for live tv but when it comes to adding internet based content there just doesn't seem to be anything decent for it.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 04:19 PM

+4 (+1 for each of your paragraphs :P)

Our family is still FTA/LiveTV based, so WMC is still the main product for us. WMC missed the whole "app store" concept, which may have helped with better plugins for internet content.
I guess as far as MS is concerned, LiveTV is no longer mainstream, so they'll leave it for some to develop a LiveTV "app" for Xbox. (MS' decision to brand their media product "Xbox" in Windows 8 must surely help exposure for xmbc!)

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 05:11 PM

Your analysis is spot on. The key has been the over the air guide. Despite it not being great quality, it has meant that if you had a TV tuner in the system, you can get it set up & working in a few minutes. New users only come here for fixes (like the MHEG5 black screen, or the changing sources issues) rather than a starting point.

WMC is essentially a PVR with extras. It was never designed for content from unofficial sources. Until MediaBrowser got its act together, there were constant questions about the Videos section of WMC.

1920x1080 native TVs have meant that struggling with overscan has all but disappeared.

Another biggie that I think is happening is that the Australian public feels that our FTA broadcasters operate in bad faith. Lack of HD, poor PQ, repeats, late schedule changes, time overruns, etc, has meant that it's now socially acceptable to download your viewing. A $100 WDTV Live takes care of that.

The alternatives are bubbling along. I love my ForTheRecord TV server, & MediaPortal is pretty nice. XBMC is coming along in the TV department (I've got one client connecting to my ForTheRecord server). The MediaPortal forums are pretty busy, but they have a strong focus on satellite, which means there is a lot more you can do with your PVR, & they are Euro based, so there's a lot of non-English speaking content that is 1st run that they would be recording.

Now, in Australia, you've got to really want a software PVR to bother.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 06:07 PM

It was never designed for content from unofficial sources.


I should have been more specific. Youtube, sbs on demand, iview etc are all legal options. A Samsung Smart Tv has better connectivity to these than seems to be possible with W7MC. Of course you can reach for the keyboard and fire up a browser but that defeats the purpose of a htpc in my opinion.

Do you think that xbmc with one of the tv server options is as solid as MC?

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 07:23 PM

I should have been more specific. Youtube, sbs on demand, iview etc are all legal options. A Samsung Smart Tv has better connectivity to these than seems to be possible with W7MC. Of course you can reach for the keyboard and fire up a browser but that defeats the purpose of a htpc in my opinion.


Sorry, I wasn't really referencing what you said, I was more talking about people are looking for a player for their downloaded content, & WMCs videos section doesn't cut it. It was a large driver of traffic here - e.g. "I've got X thousand videos & the Videos section keeps redoing the thumbnails & it takes all day." Once the answer became, "just install MediaBrowser", that issue pretty much went away. Since I joined in 2006, these show-stopper problems are no longer problems:

- 50Hz
- Native resolution
- EPG
- Codecs
- The Videos Section
- Sleep/wake

The chances are, you won't strike any issues with the above when starting out, so you're not going to seek this site out. It's only when you run in to specifics that you might start searching. In 2006, you wouldn't have got things up & running without a visit here.

Do you think that xbmc with one of the tv server options is as solid as MC?


Not yet. TV in XBMC has had to go backwards a little to make functionality the same with any TV server, but it's now progressing again. With the current builds around, you can do good live TV, you can playback recordings, you can playback in-progress recordings, but you can't live pause, schedule recordings (well), delete recordings or set/use watched position (so if you play something back on XBMC, it won't mark where you're up to, or it won't observe where you were up to on another front end). However, there are test builds with live pause & watched position, & the rest is being worked on.

For video playback, it's much nicer.

I don't think MP TV Server is good enough - it just isn't quite right. ForTheRecord TV server however is rock solid (once you get it setup). When used with MediaPortal, it is as solid as WMC (more so actually - I've never missed a recording with it), but has the added advantage of being full client server. MP has some amazing plugins (for TV series, movies, online videos including iView), but even having used it for 18 months, I kind of find myself hoping that XBMC becomes a full TV client quickly as it just feels more solid.

What it boils down to is if you want just a PVR, a $50 STB & a USB hard drive now gives you that. A $100 WDTV Live gives you excellent video playback if that's your content. Proper combos of the 2 are starting to appear if you need all in one. Dropping $500+ on an HTPC that will probably need a little nursing doesn't appeal to a lot of people. We want the flexibly & are a little masochistic when it comes to tinkering, so we'll keep on with this stuff, but the era of mainstream HTPCs (if they ever were mainstream) is over.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:33 PM

HTPC never went mainstream. It was just the techo's and still is just the techo's that run media out of PC's.

The good thing is that it works well (enough) these days and there aren't as many problems.

MCE was never the right solution for me. Even if it actually works now. But there is enough solutions out there to suit anyone now and they all work well enough for the uses they're employed for.

To be honest I'm sort of glad. It was tiring going over and over and over the same stuff year in year out. Being able to just watch whatever I want, whenever I want without fixing something is a wonderful thing and has freed my time for more exciting projects :D

Cheers,

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:56 PM

lot of hard truth in this thread - yes HTPC's will always only be for techos - despite W7 making it perfectly easy and reliable - my Win7 rig is so reliable now it rarely needs touching (decent hardware/chip/ram disks important)- despite that I am still thrilled how rich my home network is by having two Win7 media centres, an xbox and pc's being able to audio video stream any of the movies/music/videos/pictures - having this setup in the house has been cheap to provide and I still can't see non PC solutions that can provide similar

the other hard truth is because of Win7 MC reliability I guess less need for forum support (as doing other geek stuff - WP7, Onenote, SkyDrive latest toys, and Android tablets...)

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:59 PM

having said that AMCC is always first port the minute you are sussing for a new mobo/chip combo... :D

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 12:55 AM

What it boils down to is if you want just a PVR, a $50 STB & a USB hard drive now gives you that. A $100 WDTV Live gives you excellent video playback if that's your content.
Justin


Thanks Justin. Hadn't looked at a WDTV for a long time so I recommended that.

I finally replaced my trusty Microsoft OEM Media Center remote today. That thing has bounced off the tile floor literally hundreds of times over the years and today I finally had to replace it. The Hauppage replacement is no where near as good but it will have to do.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 12:57 AM

MCE was never the right solution for me.


I remember you arkay, you were(are) the linux fan :) What are you running these days?

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:10 AM

Ubuntu TV in 12.04 looks interesting. Anybody had a play yet..?

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:19 AM

Ubuntu TV in 12.04 looks interesting. Anybody had a play yet..?


I thought it Ubuntu TV wasn't available yet?

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:15 AM

Argh, I think you are right..
I installed 12.04 and nothing yet...

I saw this on Ubuntu and thought they had added it already:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tv

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 06:37 PM

Argh, I think you are right..
I installed 12.04 and nothing yet...

I saw this on Ubuntu and thought they had added it already:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tv


The site makes it looks like an existing product! But the "Download Now" button is conspicuously absent and replaced with an enquiry button.

Strange. :huh:

Here's some more info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_TV

Edited by greenbird, 13 June 2012 - 06:40 PM.


#15 logifuse

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 07:33 PM

At least the spammers still see the site as busy enough to spam. :rolleyes:

Justin