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DVB-C tuner & card reader recommendation?


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#1 jalyst

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 12:07 AM

Hi,

Just interested in users thoughts on a good DVB-C tuner (internal) + smart-card reader combo.
It's for a NDS/Videoguard2 encrypted system, I'm a paying subscriber & will continue to be one.
I merely want to integrate my Cable STB's functionality into my HTPC/PVR.

And for those whom are concerned, doing this is not illegal in Australia.
Although it may be soon thanks to the FTA J.Howard established with the US.

I intend to use:
OSCAM + SASC-NG + NewCamd + Myth** + TVHeadend + XBMC.

Not all readers are created equal, e.g. some allow for voltage adjustment so the smart-card can be "OC'd".
I don't envisage needing this so any Phoenix USB or PC/SC based reader, so long as it's mountable internally & externally will do.

I've found some that are mountable in a 3.5" bay, & some that have flash media read abilities included!
This seems like the way to go, so long as the flash media reader isn't crappier than the one in my case.***

*HID Omnikey 3921 [HID direct]
>http://www.hidglobal.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=191
$25 for reader, $30 for post (FEDEX)

*SCM SCR333 [TXSystems]
>http://www.txsystems.com/scm-products/#scr%20333
$65 for reader, $40 for post (USPS 3-5 day)
*SCM SCR333 [SCM direct]
>http://www.scmmicro.com/products-services/smart-card-readers-terminals/smart-card-reader/scr333.html
$0 for reader & $0 for post? (if all goes well then I can pay for reader + post [$10 airmail or $40 FEDEX])

*ACS ACR38F [ACS direct]
>http://www.acs.com.hk/index.php?pid=product&prod_sections=0&id=ACR38F
$22 for reader, $29 for post

*AMC AICR-04 [AMC direct]
>http://www.amcamerica.com/AICR-04.html
$35 for reader, $36 for post

*ZW-13015 [Zoweetek direct]
>http://www.zoweetek.com/product_show.asp?id=322
$36.7 for reader, $7.5 for post

Does the reader just need to be ISO-7816 compatible, or is that too simplistic?
What else do I need to look out for other than Linux PC/SC driver to be sure it'll work?
It may turn-out that there's no spare 3.5" bays & the media reader built-in is not removable.
Hence why it's imperative that such a smart-card reader can also be mounted externally.

If you've had success with a PC/SC or Pheonix USB based reader, and it meets my requirements, please let me know!
(Smargo's ruled out because it's an external only reader)

On to the actual DVB-C tuner, I'm pretty much settled on 3-4 models:
[links to cards ytb inserted]

It really comes down which retailer in Europe offers decent price/support & is happy to ship to Oz.
Does anyone know of any good stores? Except for DVBshop, I found their pre-sales to be "lacking".

Thank-you!
**I might end-up using VDR instead...
In which case SASC-NG/NewCamd would be scratched, & VDR-SC would be used.
***Not decided on a final case, and I won't be before I buy the tuner and card reader.

#2 jalyst

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 08:59 AM

Anyone? Thank-you.
Tuner cards coming soon.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 09:48 PM

I think you're treading new ground as far as people on this forum go. It looks like no-one has done anything in this area, so no-one has got any comments to offer. Not what you're wanting to hear for sure, but you might be able to educate the rest of us if you do manage to get it up and running.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 10:10 PM

Yeah I'm getting to the point where I'll just have to "bite the bullet" on parts.

There's very few people anywhere on the internetz with experience.
And the people that do, tend to be not very chatty...

In theory everything I've selected should work, time to just grow some gonads.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 11:03 PM

If you get anywhere with this please document your progress.
I for one would be interested to see how you go.

#6 jalyst

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 11:09 PM

Most prolly will here...
>http://www.austech.info/satellite-tv-general/35842-best-card-server-related-apps-me.html#post289253
Came across 1 or 2 pricks there so I want to "shove it up their arse" once it's all running nicely.
Not talking about anyone in that thread! :D

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 10:35 AM

I'm almost settled on the Zoweetek reader and a Terratec Cinergy C PCI HD tuner.
Anyone who thinks there's a better hw combo please let me know...

Has anyone else's experience with euro retailers of DVB-x cards been that they're not terribly friendly/helpful via email?
Every one I've engaged with have been utterly useless, it's a case of picking bad from worse :(

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 06:53 PM

the europeans seem to be the experts in the dvb-c stuff. You dont see it mentioned here except by the odd european. I take it youve had a good troll around thegreenbutton? I have dealt with KustomPC's in scotland successfully, but they dont seem to have any cable tuners at the moment. The Austech crowd can be a bit unfriendly, best of luck.

#9 jalyst

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 10:36 PM

The only retailers I know of over there with a decent range of dvb-c cards, whom also ship overseas, are satshop and dvbshop.

Both have been "rat-****" in email responsiveness, and when they finally do they're terse & constantly miss Qns that I must then chase-up.
It doesn't exactly inspire confidence in buying from them, but maybe it's a E.S.L thing... :confused:

I guess I'll just have to "suck it up" and buy from one of them, as they're the only two I've found so far.
Unless someone "pipes-up" with some other names?!

Thanks for the suggestion of the TGB, I dont think I have yet actually.
I thought it was more U.S. centric, hence little DVB-x discussion.
I will also have a quick 'squiz' at KustomPC, thanks again!

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:25 PM

So how about those Broncos hey!? :D

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 04:01 PM

I've been taking a look at mythbuntu and wouldn't mind having a go as well.

I'm impressed with the installs only having what's required to run a HTPC, so I'm going to get a spare HDD and run it up in my existing H/W setup.

Will report back my progress.

I do want to ask about the remotes. I ran Mythbuntu in a test pc (a spare I had with no tuners). During the setup it asked for the make of my remote. it didn't have a listing for the MCE remotes. Do I need to add something, or will they not work with Mythbuntu?

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 10:16 PM

I do want to ask about the remotes. I ran Mythbuntu in a test pc (a spare I had with no tuners). During the setup it asked for the make of my remote. it didn't have a listing for the MCE remotes. Do I need to add something, or will they not work with Mythbuntu?


I got a hauppauge mce remote kit so that I could use it's IR receiver with my harmony 780.
Check for compatibility here: >http://www.lirc.org/html/table.html
The >LIRC mail-list may be able to help you out too...
LIRCd is the back-ground process that actually controls what you're trying to set-up in mythbuntu.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 06:57 AM

I've been taking a look at mythbuntu and wouldn't mind having a go as well.

I'm impressed with the installs only having what's required to run a HTPC, so I'm going to get a spare HDD and run it up in my existing H/W setup.

Will report back my progress.

I do want to ask about the remotes. I ran Mythbuntu in a test pc (a spare I had with no tuners). During the setup it asked for the make of my remote. it didn't have a listing for the MCE remotes. Do I need to add something, or will they not work with Mythbuntu?


Mythbuntu supports mce remotes out of the box. Don't run mythbuntu now, but when I did, I recall two listings for mce - one was a phillips mce compatible remote which is what worked for me (I used a hauppage mce compatible remote).

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 09:55 AM

Guys, I'm also on the pursuit of a DVB-C card for my HTPC that is a Mythbuntu 10.04. However I do need one that is USB or PCIe (couldn't find any). After some googling I could found the following DVB-C USB devices that are supported on Linux accordingly the LinuxTV site:

  • Anysee E30 Combo Plus (USB)
  • Technotrend TT-connect CT-3650 CI USB TV

Does anyone had any experience with those cards on Linux? And about the card reader, would it be able to handle what kind of encryption (nagra2, nagra3, etc...).

I need a DVB-C tuner that I could use to hook my valid payTV here in Brazil.

Cheers!

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 10:28 PM

Your best option if you want an internal tuner is PCI, there's heaps more to chose from than PCIe.
Most modern motherboards have at least once PCI slot, it's far from being a legacy interface!
But if you have one of those boards that tries to be cool by eschewing legacy PCI ports, then I guess you're "up **** creek".

There is a few other USB DVB-C tuners:
>http://sundtek.com/shop/Digital-TV-Sticks/
>http://sundtek.de/?tb=1&lm=1
>http://support.sundtek.com/index.php/topic,4.0.html
>http://www.buydvb.net/usb-dvbc-tv-stick_p3.html
>http://www.buydvb.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=9
Some sundtek models have very good Linux support...
I think there's also an EyeTV with DVB-C, not sure how good Linux support is.

For reader, do some googling for decent communities.
One of the best to get some pointers is here...
>http://oscam.ump2002.net/board/hmportal.php

My build has been delayed because satshop.tv in Germany sent me the wrong PCI card!
I'm posting it back today, they're rather shonky (long story) so I'm a bit nervous I'll never get a refund!