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Windows 7 Includes Basic EPG As Standard


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#1 simbot82

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 01:37 AM

Ever since the release of the "TV Pack" for Vista, a native EPG (electronic program guide via EIT - event information table) has been available.

NOTE: The EPG supplied it's not an MS supplied guide and is therefore still at the mercy of the individual networks and how they want to provide the information. The information reliability is not down to MS. Channel Nine for instance does not conform to MCE movies tag standard therefore its movies will not be flagged when looking at movie guide or if you enable colours in the guide their movies will not appear purple.

So those new to the "post TV pack" era on Windows Media PC's - don't be frightened or alarmed :)

The transmitted EPG is a good place to begin, although many enthusiasts move to providers such as IceTV, Big Screen EPG or use 3rd party scripts in conjunction with community efforts such as Oztivo or their TV guide needs.

Below are the principles behind the aussie EPG. Its not all that pretty but at least these days we have a guide standard :).

From the ACMA

Electronic program guide principles

The electronic program guide (EPG) principles were published by the ACMA on 2 June 2009.

The EPG principles were published to provide guidance to industry and assist with the development of digital television services that meet viewer requirements. The principles provide a clear performance benchmark for broadcasters supplying EPG data for free-to-air digital television services.

Principle 1: Each broadcaster should provide EPG data that is freely available. Each FTA broadcaster should transmit EPG data free of charge to the public. The EPG data should be available as part of the free-to-air transmission and the EPG information should be available, unencrypted, in the Event Information Table (EIT) section of the Service Information (SI) data provided as part of the DVB-T broadcast. The EPG data should not solely be available as a result of a broadband subscription, the purchase of ‘middleware’ or as a result of a contractual agreement between the broadcaster and the end-user.

Principle 2: Broadcast EPG data should provide critical information. Critical information includes information that supports the basic EPG driven operations of standard consumer equipment. Critical information is that information described in the operational practices FreeTV Australia OP-44 Implementation Guide for DVB EIT present/following Information (EIT p/f) (Issue 4, Jan 2009) and Free TV Australia OP58 Implementation Guide for DVB EIT Schedule Information (EIT scheduleactual) (Issue 1, Jan 2009) developed by FreeTV Australia. The critical information should be updated in accordance with the requirements specified in the operational practices and include:
- accurate information about the present and following programs being aired (including starting times);
- a minimum of seven days of schedule information; and
- accurate and useful parental guidance rating information in accordance with the Australian standards.

Edited by simbot82, 22 October 2009 - 08:13 PM.


#2 HiitsJack

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 04:11 AM

I never installed the "TV Pack" on Vista so this is a great feature for me.

I've been subscribing to IceTV since the birth of my media center (about 3 yrs now) and while its served me well over the years, I can confidently say that I wont be needing to renew it.

Its just always stuck in my craw that I've had to pay for an epg.

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 03:38 PM

How come half my channels *still* don't have guide data? I installed Win7 yesterday, some channels have data in the EPG (via over the air), but many don't (like 7Two).

Are they allowed to do this?

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 09:16 PM

Hi Lomax,

Did you go through the set up process when you first opened media center ?

I recall being asked for a postcode, I live in Epping so I entered 2121 but it did tell me something like no guide available for my postcode and it asked if I wanted to try another and I did'nt bother.

I have all FTA channels listed and since using this built in guide (about 2 weeks now), its all been perfect.

I built and installed a media center for a mate of mine about a month ago, he lives in North Bridge and I recall it accepting his postcode and he has all channels in his guide with no missing data aswell.

I'd try going through the tv set up again and may be try a few different postcodes.

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 10:22 PM

Yeah, I'm in North Ryde 2113.

Most of the "main" channels like Nine, Ten, 7, ABC1, ABC2, ABC3 have guide information, but many others do not - ACC, D44, One HD, 7 HD, 7Two for example.

It's just annoying to have to jump though so many hoops just to get an EPG in this country. Back in the US it is a no brainer.

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 07:17 PM

watch something on 7two and that should force guide population

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 08:14 AM

watch something on 7two and that should force guide population


Seems that the EPG only updates when you tune to the channel - a bit annoying if you have a wish list record item and are going on holidays, or don't often watch a particular channel ie the guide for that channel will never update. Is anybody aware of a way to force a periodic channel scan so that the EPG is updated for all channels?

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 11:21 AM

If you have a series recording request set up then it should perform a periodic scan of the channels (about every 15 hours or so). It will try to obtain a tuner and tune to the channels is a most-recently-used to -least-recently-used order. Its limitied to a maximum of 3 hours per time of doing this. On large DVB systems (i.e. DVB-S with multiple satellites & 1000s of channels) its likely that it wont tune to all channels before it hits the 3 hour limit.

If its not working for you, then my only thought is that the trigger is the automatic download process mcupdate. If you have automatic downloads disabled, there could be a bug in there and its not happening every 15 hours and instead only once every 5 days - so I'd try enabling automatic downloads if you've turned it off (from tasks->settings->general->automatic download options)

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 02:16 PM

Watching the channel triggered a guide update - thanks all!

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 01:33 AM

Turning on the download looks for an Internet vased EPG - which is not defined. As a work around, I have scheduled a daily recording of about 5 minutes for each master channel (eg recording ABC1 [21] captures EPG for all channels in the suite eg ABC1, 2 and 3) and with a daily Win7 scheduled task to automatically delete the unwanted recording files. Crude, but it works.

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 06:56 AM

Turning on the download looks for an Internet vased EPG - which is not defined. As a work around, I have scheduled a daily recording of about 5 minutes for each master channel (eg recording ABC1 [21] captures EPG for all channels in the suite eg ABC1, 2 and 3) and with a daily Win7 scheduled task to automatically delete the unwanted recording files. Crude, but it works.

I'm pretty sure you don't need to do that - my EPG is being updated automatically without having to watch anything.

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 02:06 PM

I've been using the Windows 7 EPG for almost 2 months now and have not had to do anything special for it to work - just followed the step by step setup when I first used MC.
The only thing I miss from my IceTV days is the note for each program that tells me if its a repeat

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 08:44 PM

Hi,

Just upgraded to W7 and very happy with it.

All my EPG chammels seemed to work from the first day except all SBS channels. Are you guys getting SBS?

Ciao.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 10:44 AM

Yep, I live in Epping NSW and I get them all.

If you look back several posts, you'll find talk about watching the channels that dont come up in the guide will trigger the epg to update.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 06:20 PM

Thanks, I saw that entry but I'll give it another go.

Cheers,